Posts by Little Bo Peep

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THE PREACHING WORK PROVES IT IS THE TRUTH

by The wanderer in

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the preaching work proves it is the truth.

my best friend is now out of the organization.

however, he still defends.

Little Bo Peep

Forgot to add this to my earlier comment. JW's admit they preach a different good news, one about 1914 and the Kingdom's establishment, rather than the good news about Christ. Yet, their 1914 date is made on false assumptions, lies and deceit. The 1914 date relys completely on the accuracy of 607BC as being correct, yet they are the ONLY ones to use 607. All other references, scholars, encyclopedias etc say 586-587. If 607 is wrong, that makes 1914 wrong, 1919 and the faithful slave's appointment wrong, and the house of cards falls. They must keep that date at any expense. Perhaps you could ask your friend to prove 1914, since that's what they're really preaching. Should have some interesting conversations.

Also, that few other religions go door to door doesn't mean they aren't preaching. They are reaching far more people throughout the world thru their various ministries, than the JW's ever could. If, as the latest tract says, the end is really eminent, why are they building more and more new kingdom halls? Why aren't they using every means possible to get the message out to the world, using some of their vast wealth to spread the message via radio, tv, etc?

Peep

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Post your favorite saying

by Scully in

i was just pondering how the wts has, for over a century, been able to convince people to do what is contrary to their best interests with fear tactics that armageddon is coming soon, and i came up with what is going to be my pet phrase for a while:.

"only religion has the power to compel people to embrace sheer stupidity in the name of faith.

" ~ scully, december 28, 2006. i googled it, and didn't see that anyone else has claimed it, so until someone else finds an attribution for it, i'm claiming it as my own.

Little Bo Peep

"A faith that cannot withstand collision with the truth, is not worth many regrets" Arthur C.Cook

Galatians 4:16 "Well then, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?" (NWT)

2 Corinthians 10:12 "For we do not dare to class ourselves among some or compare ourselves with some who recommend themselves. Certainly they in measuring themselves by themselves and comparing themselves with themselves have no understanding." (Who's this sound like?)

Peep

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THE PREACHING WORK PROVES IT IS THE TRUTH

by The wanderer in

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friends

the preaching work proves it is the truth.

my best friend is now out of the organization.

however, he still defends.

Little Bo Peep

I read through the previous posts then got sidetrackd, so sorry if I repeat what someone else may have posted in the meantime.

It seems I read somewhere the exact figures on how many times "good news of the kingdom" is in the NT (just a few), as opposed to "good news about the Christ" (majority).

The WT prides itself that it's good news is different than other religions. The May 1, 1981 Watchtower, page 17 tells us to compare the king of gospel from Christendom with that of JW's, that they are not one and the same. Witnesses gospel is that God's kingdom was established in 1914.

The Bible's good news is about Christ, his coming, ransom and ressurection, along with what it meant for mankind. Quite a different good news. Galations 1:8,9 says anyone declaring a different good news would be accursed, so I think they are in "hot water".

The NT tells us all the glory and honor should go to Jesus, every knee bending to him, yet if you talk to much about Jesus to a JW, they get uncomfortable, because they talk about Jehovah instead. I began taking "chicken track" notes (the kind I had my children do when they were little), the last monhs of our attending meetings (5 years ago now). I was shocked how very little Jesus was talked about, unless there was an actual talk on his life. And the holy spirit? Practically nil. Most of the time you'd hear Jesus' name, was at the conclusion of prayer. For those still attending, try tracking how many times Jehovah, Jesus, holy spirity, faithful slave, organization, etc., is mentioned...I think you too will be shocked as I was.

Peep

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I feel uncomforatable when my children ask about God....

by flip4diz in

i don't know what to say.. for some background: .

i have been out for 10 years.

it was the birth of my son, who just turned 11 ... that brought me out.

Little Bo Peep

I think this is a problem many struggle with when they leave. A good friend from 20 years ago just called yesterday, having visited his old cong from the past and hearing rumors about our whole family leaving. Instead of believing everything, he decided to call for himself (which only a couple others have bothered to do). He was excited to find others who have left too. He still goes, and keeps his views pretty much to himself for his familys sake, but unfortunately, he doesn't even know if there is a god. We told him, many, and many on this forum I think, are perhaps agnostic, believing in a supreme being, creator, but not really sure if he is having a hand in man's affairs today. He was relieved to know he wasn't an athiest. Personally, I have found comfort in reading the NT, using various translations. It has been a source of strength for my spirituality. One of my little granddaughters has recently ask her mom to read the Bible at night to her (she's 8), and this is bringing up some questions. Like others have said, there's nothing wrong in saying you're not sure of the answer. I remember Jesus words about the greatest commandments, so instilling these principles in our childrens lives will do much to making them happy, valuable citizens as they grow up. I also feel it's important to let them know why you left because if there are any relatives still in the WT, eventually they will be putting pressure for them to return to save themselves and you. One JW in our old cong told his young granddaughter he was sorry she was going to die at Armageddon. My mom-in-law still tells my nieces about what will happen if they don't listen to her. So, there is great pressure on these little ones, and the best defense for them is knowledge.

Best of luck with your young ones.

Peep

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What do I do with all this WT literature?

by LennyinBluemont in

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we have tons of bound volumes, bound kms and many books.

i only plan on keeping a few of the older books with the really insane, humiliating crap, like sewing machines being a sign of the last days.

what should i do with the rest?

Little Bo Peep

I seem to recall that Alan F. was looking for old KM's. Personally, I've kept one of everything. The cd-rom's sometimes reword the older pubs, and many can't be found on the cd-roms. A number of times we made copies of actual articles etc (because we might tamper with the cd-rom). I wish I'd kept my back issues of the magazines (I burned all but one copy of each). I would now write on the front in black ink marker various websites (Watchtower research, JWD etc) so anyone who picked them up in a laundry, reststop bathroom etc, would perhaps get curious.

Peep

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WT LIES in the bible teach book

by Zico in

we all know the watchtower soicety can be deceitful at times.

one place i've noticed their deceit is in their main 'bible' study/cult introduction book 'what does the bible really teach?

designed for a jw holding a bible study with an interested person, this books tries to convince the person being studied with, that this religion knows the truth about the bible.

Little Bo Peep

Even if I found out the teachings of the Wt were somehow true, I could NEVER, NEVER go back to that organization that has done so much lying and deceiving. They are so very hypocritical! I can't believe I didn't see through this 40 years ago. I'm so thankful to people like Barb and Joe Anderson, Richard Rawe, Ray Franz and so many others, who didn't need the internet to see the falsehood of this organization.

Peep

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Just in case I dont get a chance......

by Es in

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before christmas to hop on, i would like to wish each and everyone a very merry christmas and a happy new year.

may 2007 bring you all everything and more than you wish for.. have a fantastic day.. much luv es and family.

.

Little Bo Peep

Sent Christmas cards for the first time this year (raised a JW...59 years), saying Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, etc., without a cringe of conscience, and even giving to the Salvation Army, etc. Amazing what a little "knowledge of the truth" can do for you.

Peep

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Food in Due Season - The JWD Holiday Cookbook

by Lady Lee in

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food in due season - the jwd holiday cookbook.

food in due season is a compilation of recipes from around the world submitted by the participants of the jw discussion forum.

many of the contributors are ex-jehovahs witnesses who are not permitted to associate with family because they have either left or been expelled from the religion.

Little Bo Peep

Since this is our "first" Christmas, I have a question. When is Christmas dinner traditionally? Is it the night before Christmas, or on Christmas day???

Peep

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SOON! SOON! How SOON is SOON?

by Little Bo Peep in

in reading over drew sagan's post this am, we were discussing how often the wt says soon.

it is really brought to the fore when you read his post.

it's now been over 92 years since their 1914 date.

Little Bo Peep

In reading over drew sagan's post this am, we were discussing how often the WT says SOON. It is really brought to the fore when you read his post. It's now been over 92 years since their 1914 date. It occurred to me that the WT usually refers to the scripture that "one day with Jehovah is a thousand years", etc., yet Jesus, in speaking of the "end", wasn't talking about Jehovah, his view of things. He was talking to humans, who would not equate the "end" as being thousands of years off. Human thinking would tell them "soon", would really mean "soon". The "last days" Paul spoke about were then, not thousands of years later. The Wt acknowledges there were "last days" for Jerusalem, but as other futuristic religions do also, they give second and even third meanings to the prophecy. In our research, we have come to the conclusion that all these prophecys were for the Jewish nation's end. Even Revelation, when you examine the facts, you'll find out many scholars believe it was written before Jerusalem's destruction. I think most of Revelation (I say most because there are numerous things in question as to how they would be fulfilled) has been fulfilled, centuries ago, not for the future.

Nothing to scholarly, but just a thought!

Peep

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Lurkers: Why the Watchtower REALLY Opposes Holidays

by metatron in

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no doubt many of you used to wonder why so many potential jehovah's witnesses had a problem with dropping the celebration of holidays,.

especially christmas.

i can recall some publishers wondering aloud why their bible studies were ready to swallow watchtower doctrines.

Little Bo Peep

The Watchtower says they avoid the holidays because of their pagan origins, yet within the last few years, have published articles showing the pagan origins of the Pinata (9/22/03), Russian Blini cakes (12/22/05), and Wind Chimes (6/1/81), then shows why it wouldn't be wrong to use them today, since none of them are viewed in the same "pagan" light today. Very interesting logic, if you can call it logic!

Peep